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		<title>By: Menezes George</title>
		<link>http://georgemenace.com/a-major-crisis-in-the-church/comment-page-1#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>Menezes George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a delightful surprise
You have come aong way after  Carter Wallace
Glad for you and Lorraine

Amazing what the web can do

Just Received a cheque of Rs 10000/- from a reader for the Orissa victims from an unknown reader. The world is populated with beautiful people despite the fringe group goons

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a delightful surprise<br />
You have come aong way after  Carter Wallace<br />
Glad for you and Lorraine</p>
<p>Amazing what the web can do</p>
<p>Just Received a cheque of Rs 10000/- from a reader for the Orissa victims from an unknown reader. The world is populated with beautiful people despite the fringe group goons</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: Elroy Vaz</title>
		<link>http://georgemenace.com/a-major-crisis-in-the-church/comment-page-1#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Elroy Vaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Menezes 
I was very happy to learn about your site whilst browsing the web. This is an excellent forum that you have created for people to air their views and opinions on the current happenings at home ( India). 
Enjoy reading your articles on different areas of life. 
Wish you good luck and excellent health to carry on the good work 
Best Wishes 
Elroy &amp; Lorraine ( Abu Dhabi,UAE)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Menezes<br />
I was very happy to learn about your site whilst browsing the web. This is an excellent forum that you have created for people to air their views and opinions on the current happenings at home ( India).<br />
Enjoy reading your articles on different areas of life.<br />
Wish you good luck and excellent health to carry on the good work<br />
Best Wishes<br />
Elroy &amp; Lorraine ( Abu Dhabi,UAE)</p>
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		<title>By: Menezes George</title>
		<link>http://georgemenace.com/a-major-crisis-in-the-church/comment-page-1#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Menezes George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Marshall

Thank you for visiting my site and posting some very relevant comments
Shall answer them via Email.
There are no easy answers and solutions unless we are willing to go to the root of the problems for which we have  neither the interest or the scholarship.
George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Marshall</p>
<p>Thank you for visiting my site and posting some very relevant comments<br />
Shall answer them via Email.<br />
There are no easy answers and solutions unless we are willing to go to the root of the problems for which we have  neither the interest or the scholarship.<br />
George</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Mendonza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall Mendonza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your article very thought provoking. I, however, have several questions not necessarily from you
1. Why is it we are deserted during our times of need by all those who have benefitted from our institutions? Why are the Soli Sorabjis, Fali Nariman’s , Sunil Gavaskar’s all silent? Have our institutions failed somewhere? I am a member of Goanet and I feel hurt and disappointed when I see some of the educated hindu members who have studied in our schools support the hindutva line.
2. What can be done to democratise the church and empower our laity ? Our lay people can run organisations, banks, institutions but are given a very peripherical role in the church. When will the church move from ‘pay, pray and obey’ principle to giving the laity a greater voice in the church.
3. I have been closely observing the way some of our parishes and schools are run by the religious and I must say I am greatly disappointed. How do we effect changes?
4. It is my view that the religious are by and large insulated from secular life, except perhaps at the very top or certain exceptions. How do we expect them to provide leadership in times of crises?
5. What has been the role of our christian and other MP’s? Are they able to influence decisions?
6.Regarding George Fernandes, I do not know how reliable he is. Isn’t he the one who gave a clean chit to the killers of Graham Staines and his two young children?

In conclusion I agree with you that our security and welfare lies in the hands of the secular majority and we need to strenghten their hands.

Regards,

Marshall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your article very thought provoking. I, however, have several questions not necessarily from you<br />
1. Why is it we are deserted during our times of need by all those who have benefitted from our institutions? Why are the Soli Sorabjis, Fali Nariman’s , Sunil Gavaskar’s all silent? Have our institutions failed somewhere? I am a member of Goanet and I feel hurt and disappointed when I see some of the educated hindu members who have studied in our schools support the hindutva line.<br />
2. What can be done to democratise the church and empower our laity ? Our lay people can run organisations, banks, institutions but are given a very peripherical role in the church. When will the church move from ‘pay, pray and obey’ principle to giving the laity a greater voice in the church.<br />
3. I have been closely observing the way some of our parishes and schools are run by the religious and I must say I am greatly disappointed. How do we effect changes?<br />
4. It is my view that the religious are by and large insulated from secular life, except perhaps at the very top or certain exceptions. How do we expect them to provide leadership in times of crises?<br />
5. What has been the role of our christian and other MP’s? Are they able to influence decisions?<br />
6.Regarding George Fernandes, I do not know how reliable he is. Isn’t he the one who gave a clean chit to the killers of Graham Staines and his two young children?</p>
<p>In conclusion I agree with you that our security and welfare lies in the hands of the secular majority and we need to strenghten their hands.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Marshall</p>
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		<title>By: Menezes George</title>
		<link>http://georgemenace.com/a-major-crisis-in-the-church/comment-page-1#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Menezes George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your posting

There is no alternative to dialogue. Which means that we go into a dialogue not just to convince the others to your point of view but to listen and be open and willing to change your mind
I taught negotiation skills to hundreds of Managers  and dealt with Unions, some of them very violent 
George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your posting</p>
<p>There is no alternative to dialogue. Which means that we go into a dialogue not just to convince the others to your point of view but to listen and be open and willing to change your mind<br />
I taught negotiation skills to hundreds of Managers  and dealt with Unions, some of them very violent<br />
George</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; India: Attacks on Christians challenging the secular state</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; India: Attacks on Christians challenging the secular state</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was once a member of the BJP, believes that Indian Christians need to come together and create a strategy: When I was a member of the BJP’s National Executive Council, I found it difficult to convince [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Menezes George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menezes George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Prem Kumar

When I finished reading your beautiful comments coming from the heart (unburdening yourself as you call it) I found myself crying.

Men are not supposed to cry. But I find myself crying out of sadness. out of anger out of pity for those who know not what they are doing.

My area of expertise is &quot;human behaiour&quot; and therfore I will not tell you not to be anxious or not to be afraid. You are experiencing  it and you need to acknowledge it and stay with it and see how it can make you whole.

We are going through a &quot;redemptive&quot; experience,a Bblical &quot;desert&quot; or &#039;wilderness&quot; experience, a precious gift from God.

Imagine framers and flood affected people who have lost everything. Imagine the thousnds of small investors who are bankrupt. We are not the &quot;suicide&quot; crowd

Looking at history the Church will stay and grow and flourish. You and I must see how we can help.

Thro my writings and some speeches I am asking my many Hindu friends  to facilitate the thinking that finally the fascists will come for them unless they come out of the wood work and say loudly &quot;enough is enough&quot;

As I said in the Times of India of 4th October., the minorities cannot ensure their own security  only the enlightened majority running into millions can do that.

Sleep well, give witness to your sons. The Lord will be with us to the end.

If you want to send money to the Orissa refugees make a cheque to &quot;All India Catholic Union&quot; and send it to me. I am the President Emeritus of the 
Org. Shall send you my address and phone number in a separate Email

God bless you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Prem Kumar</p>
<p>When I finished reading your beautiful comments coming from the heart (unburdening yourself as you call it) I found myself crying.</p>
<p>Men are not supposed to cry. But I find myself crying out of sadness. out of anger out of pity for those who know not what they are doing.</p>
<p>My area of expertise is &#8220;human behaiour&#8221; and therfore I will not tell you not to be anxious or not to be afraid. You are experiencing  it and you need to acknowledge it and stay with it and see how it can make you whole.</p>
<p>We are going through a &#8220;redemptive&#8221; experience,a Bblical &#8220;desert&#8221; or &#8216;wilderness&#8221; experience, a precious gift from God.</p>
<p>Imagine framers and flood affected people who have lost everything. Imagine the thousnds of small investors who are bankrupt. We are not the &#8220;suicide&#8221; crowd</p>
<p>Looking at history the Church will stay and grow and flourish. You and I must see how we can help.</p>
<p>Thro my writings and some speeches I am asking my many Hindu friends  to facilitate the thinking that finally the fascists will come for them unless they come out of the wood work and say loudly &#8220;enough is enough&#8221;</p>
<p>As I said in the Times of India of 4th October., the minorities cannot ensure their own security  only the enlightened majority running into millions can do that.</p>
<p>Sleep well, give witness to your sons. The Lord will be with us to the end.</p>
<p>If you want to send money to the Orissa refugees make a cheque to &#8220;All India Catholic Union&#8221; and send it to me. I am the President Emeritus of the<br />
Org. Shall send you my address and phone number in a separate Email</p>
<p>God bless you</p>
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		<title>By: Prem Kumar</title>
		<link>http://georgemenace.com/a-major-crisis-in-the-church/comment-page-1#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear George,

I&#039;ve been reading your recent articles on the incidents of violence perpetrated against Christians in India. I can&#039;t agree more ..... it seems you have articulated what I&#039;ve been feeling all along.

I feel the need to unburden myself ........ a mosaic of thoughts and impressions.

There is a feeling of deep sadness........

 As a little boy, the religion of a person simply didn&#039;t make any difference. Growing up, I gradually became aware of differences in religion but couldn&#039;t quite fathom these. I grew up blissfully unaware of any other identity except being Indian - there were many things I was proud of ..... things that my Dad (an armyman) told me about my country, people, our soldiers, our leaders and so on. In my twenties, I happened to face some flak from a &#039;BJP&#039; supporter who told me that we Christians should quit the country and go &#039;back&#039; to Rome ! Well, I merely dismissed him as one of the fringe elements.

But today I am almost 52 years old, living in Mumbai and must confess to having the slightest undercurrent of feelings of anxiety ..... at being different (i.e. Christian) and soon probably one of the unwanted &#039;elements&#039; !!!  

My sons aged 15 and 11, reading newspaper reports, ask what would happen to us Christians ...... they asked as to how I would react / respond were I to face a similar situation.  I told my boys that it would be a difficult decision with a sword at my throat ..... but knowing my human weakness, I pray that God would give me courage and wisdom in such an eventuality.  I also told them that when Jesus could die such a horrible death for me and on my behalf, there was no way that I would deny Him.

The systematic and planned incidents of carnage across the country heightens the sense of unseen powers engineering the violence against Christians.

&#039;Conversion&#039; for me is &#039;metanoia&#039; or &quot;change of heart&quot; which all of us (myself included) need continually. It is difficult for me to believe that Jesus Christ wants everyone to become Christians in the sense of &quot;change of religion&quot;. How boring that would be !!!!  But I&#039;m sure he certainly called for a &#039;change of heart&#039; ............ a universal call. (and we know how difficult it is change ourselves .... and then we look for help to the &#039;higher power&#039;). What shape that response should take for my bretheren proffessing other faiths, I don&#039;t know.

The silence of the Church - meaning most Christians, lay persons and the ecclesiatical leadership - is DEAFENING !!! Hey guys, are you&#039;ll listening ??  

Probably, this is the shaking-up that will seperate the wheat from the chaff.

Maybe these are the beggining of birth-pangs of a glorious Church in our beloved country - where we begin to realise who we are, &amp; what is our calling ........ to follow in the foot-steps of our Master and Saviour.          

This is a time when we Christians need to talk to each other, unburden our hearts - our fears, hopes &amp; dreams. Could we do something about it ?

And by the way, could you please let me know as to how we may make some financial contributions for the welfare of the Christians of Orissa (even if Bishop Cheenath may not consider it important) ?

God bless your efforts.

Prem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear George,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading your recent articles on the incidents of violence perpetrated against Christians in India. I can&#8217;t agree more &#8230;.. it seems you have articulated what I&#8217;ve been feeling all along.</p>
<p>I feel the need to unburden myself &#8230;&#8230;.. a mosaic of thoughts and impressions.</p>
<p>There is a feeling of deep sadness&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p> As a little boy, the religion of a person simply didn&#8217;t make any difference. Growing up, I gradually became aware of differences in religion but couldn&#8217;t quite fathom these. I grew up blissfully unaware of any other identity except being Indian &#8211; there were many things I was proud of &#8230;.. things that my Dad (an armyman) told me about my country, people, our soldiers, our leaders and so on. In my twenties, I happened to face some flak from a &#8216;BJP&#8217; supporter who told me that we Christians should quit the country and go &#8216;back&#8217; to Rome ! Well, I merely dismissed him as one of the fringe elements.</p>
<p>But today I am almost 52 years old, living in Mumbai and must confess to having the slightest undercurrent of feelings of anxiety &#8230;.. at being different (i.e. Christian) and soon probably one of the unwanted &#8216;elements&#8217; !!!  </p>
<p>My sons aged 15 and 11, reading newspaper reports, ask what would happen to us Christians &#8230;&#8230; they asked as to how I would react / respond were I to face a similar situation.  I told my boys that it would be a difficult decision with a sword at my throat &#8230;.. but knowing my human weakness, I pray that God would give me courage and wisdom in such an eventuality.  I also told them that when Jesus could die such a horrible death for me and on my behalf, there was no way that I would deny Him.</p>
<p>The systematic and planned incidents of carnage across the country heightens the sense of unseen powers engineering the violence against Christians.</p>
<p>&#8216;Conversion&#8217; for me is &#8216;metanoia&#8217; or &#8220;change of heart&#8221; which all of us (myself included) need continually. It is difficult for me to believe that Jesus Christ wants everyone to become Christians in the sense of &#8220;change of religion&#8221;. How boring that would be !!!!  But I&#8217;m sure he certainly called for a &#8216;change of heart&#8217; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; a universal call. (and we know how difficult it is change ourselves &#8230;. and then we look for help to the &#8216;higher power&#8217;). What shape that response should take for my bretheren proffessing other faiths, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>The silence of the Church &#8211; meaning most Christians, lay persons and the ecclesiatical leadership &#8211; is DEAFENING !!! Hey guys, are you&#8217;ll listening ??  </p>
<p>Probably, this is the shaking-up that will seperate the wheat from the chaff.</p>
<p>Maybe these are the beggining of birth-pangs of a glorious Church in our beloved country &#8211; where we begin to realise who we are, &amp; what is our calling &#8230;&#8230;.. to follow in the foot-steps of our Master and Saviour.          </p>
<p>This is a time when we Christians need to talk to each other, unburden our hearts &#8211; our fears, hopes &amp; dreams. Could we do something about it ?</p>
<p>And by the way, could you please let me know as to how we may make some financial contributions for the welfare of the Christians of Orissa (even if Bishop Cheenath may not consider it important) ?</p>
<p>God bless your efforts.</p>
<p>Prem</p>
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		<title>By: Prem Kumar</title>
		<link>http://georgemenace.com/a-major-crisis-in-the-church/comment-page-1#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear George,

I&#039;ve been reading your recent articles on the incidents of violence perpetrated against Christians in India. I can&#039;t agree more ..... it seems you have articulated what I&#039;ve been feeling all along.

I feel the need to unburden myself ........

There is a feeling of deep sadness........

 As a little boy, the religion of a person simply didn&#039;t make any difference. Growing up, I gradually became aware of differences in religion but couldn&#039;t quite fathom these. I grew up blissfully unaware of any other identity except being Indian - there were many things I was proud of ..... things that my Dad (an armyman) told me about my country, people, our soldiers, our leaders and so on. In my twenties, I happened to face some flak from a &#039;BJP&#039; supporter who told me that we Christians should quit the country and go &#039;back&#039; to Rome ! Well, I merely dismissed him as one of the fringe elements.

But today I am almost 52 years old, living in Mumbai and must confess to having the slightest undercurrent of feelings of anxiety ..... at being different (i.e. Christian) and soon probably one of the unwanted &#039;elements&#039; !!!  

The systematic and planned incidents of carnage across the country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear George,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading your recent articles on the incidents of violence perpetrated against Christians in India. I can&#8217;t agree more &#8230;.. it seems you have articulated what I&#8217;ve been feeling all along.</p>
<p>I feel the need to unburden myself &#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>There is a feeling of deep sadness&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p> As a little boy, the religion of a person simply didn&#8217;t make any difference. Growing up, I gradually became aware of differences in religion but couldn&#8217;t quite fathom these. I grew up blissfully unaware of any other identity except being Indian &#8211; there were many things I was proud of &#8230;.. things that my Dad (an armyman) told me about my country, people, our soldiers, our leaders and so on. In my twenties, I happened to face some flak from a &#8216;BJP&#8217; supporter who told me that we Christians should quit the country and go &#8216;back&#8217; to Rome ! Well, I merely dismissed him as one of the fringe elements.</p>
<p>But today I am almost 52 years old, living in Mumbai and must confess to having the slightest undercurrent of feelings of anxiety &#8230;.. at being different (i.e. Christian) and soon probably one of the unwanted &#8216;elements&#8217; !!!  </p>
<p>The systematic and planned incidents of carnage across the country</p>
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		<title>By: Menezes George</title>
		<link>http://georgemenace.com/a-major-crisis-in-the-church/comment-page-1#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>Menezes George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Virendra

Great to meet you after so long on the net. I now have your cell phone number
Thanks for visiting my website
We have serious problems that might now get attention because of the persecution
Suffering has always strengthed the Church. you can destroy houses churches and kill people but you cannot destroy faith that for 2000 years has its source in LOVE
Keep in touch
George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Virendra</p>
<p>Great to meet you after so long on the net. I now have your cell phone number<br />
Thanks for visiting my website<br />
We have serious problems that might now get attention because of the persecution<br />
Suffering has always strengthed the Church. you can destroy houses churches and kill people but you cannot destroy faith that for 2000 years has its source in LOVE<br />
Keep in touch<br />
George</p>
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